Transcript: Episode 55
55. Julie’s Fan Club
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***Interview Begins***
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Okay now, open my box, because I’m really excited. [Laughing]
[Laughing]
[Laughing]
Do you want me to open the package or the box first?
Well, will John Mark be okay if you open the package?
John Mark will be okay. You know what? Poor John Mark. I feel really bad for him right now. I feel like therapy has somehow -- he’s the one who’s struggling from therapy today. I know that, and I feel like he has, he’s kind of in the middle between some things --
Right.
-- and kind of like an overlapping center for some things that we’re working on. And I feel like he just so wants everyone to be okay and to take care of them. And I think it’s just a lot of pressure for him.
Mmhmm.
And I feel like he is dealing with -- like okay. I don’t know this, so if I’m misspeaking or being intrusive, then I’m sorry. But I feel like if I were putting it into words what I am feeling from him, especially after therapy today, I feel like there’s some kind of grief. I don’t know a better word for it of he was supposed to protect us and wasn’t able to.
It’s survivor skills.
Does that make sense?
Yes. What you’re describing sounds like survivor skill. He feels guilty that he tried, but he couldn’t.
Ugh. It’s heartbreaking.
Well, will you make him -- I sent you certificates a couple weeks ago. Will you make him a certificate from me and send him some love?
Aww.
And tell him he’s the bravest boy I know.
I’m going to open the envelope.
Yes, that’s for him and John.
[Background noise of opening a gift]
Oh my goodness. No way.
[Background noise of opening a gift]
No way.
Yes.
Okay, I can’t -- okay, wait. I have to say what it is, because they’re listening. They’re not watching. It’s a paint by numbers kit --
Right.
-- of a picture of some puppies.
Right.
And I can’t tell you how cool that is. Today is actually the anniversary of us finding our therapist, and so Katie painted a picture that we gave to the therapist today for our therapy anniversary. Only I think they’re calling it our therapy birthday. [Laughing]
That’s okay. It’s still a celebration.
Well, and so he was trying to take care of that and fix that, and we didn’t have money to put it in a frame or anything. So there was all this drama about him trying to take care of it. I don’t know what happened once he finally got there and did it however he wanted or whatever, but I know he was going to be delivering it, because they’re super tight - he and the therapist are super tight.
Right.
And so he was going to be delivering it, but he himself totally cannot paint and was talking about that before we went. And so he’s delivering something Katie painted, and she knows that and he knows that. And the therapist is totally cool about that, and gets it. There’s no drama there at all. But he was talking this week, this whole week, about how he’s just not good at painting. He can’t paint. But he can totally do this.
He and John can totally do it. And I got him puppies, because every good boy deserves a puppy. And this way he and John can have puppies and it won’t affect anybody, and they can be his and he can name them, and he can hang them in your room.
Aww.
Because he talks about when he goes to the park how he likes to see the puppies, the boys do. And so that’s why I got him puppies.
That’s so sweet. Julie, that was so kind. That was so thoughtful.
Well, I hope they have fun with it. I think it will be great. That’s my hope.
Okay, there’s a box and it’s so taped. I don’t know if I can get in. [Laughing]
I taped it. Ms. Cruz let me have it. [Laughing] She gave me the tape and I’m like, “I’m making sure this stays closed, because I don’t want you looking through this, lady, because I’m sending contraband.” [Laughing]
[Laughing] You’re so funny. Contraband? I’m a fan of contraband.
I know. So am I. So that’s why you got it. [Laughing]
Oh my goodness.
[Background noise of gift opening]
[Laughing] That was so hard to pull off I hit my hand on the window. If I break my car trying to get into your package. [Laughing]
[Laughing]
What is this? It says, “No worries. An activity book for young people who sometimes feel anxious or stressed.”
Yes! So I got that for the Littles or for the outside kids, and I figured you could use it accordingly, but it’s super cute. And it may help, but it’s age-appropriate.
[Break]
Wow, that’s so cool.
It looks kind of cool, right? I almost thought well geez, I might get one of these for me. [Laughing]
That’s super cool. We’ll work on that and talk about it.
Yeah, let Dr. E look through it and make sure I don’t go messing up somebody, okay? Because I don’t want to have that on my heart.
[Laughing]
I was like, “This is too good not to send.” [Laughing]
Bunch of balloons. Water balloons? You sent me water balloons?
Yes. And listen, hook them up to that hose. They all blow up at one time, and then you can throw them at the kids.
That’s amazing! So these balloons hook up to the water hose, they have this attachment on the end of it, and it blows up 100 water balloons in 60 seconds. [Laughing]
Girlfriend.
[Laughing]
That’s amazing.
I buy them in stock piles, because when spring and summer hit, and it’s a warm day, I will fill up coolers with those balloons and I will set them around the backyard, and I will have water balloon fights with my children, and neighborhood kids.
Oh, bubbles!
Yes, I thought that would be good for at the park for the Littles.
We are a fan of parks and bubbles.
[Background noise of opening a gift]
A lamb dress up kit?
Oh yes. Okay, so look, you’ll notice there’s 25. [Laughing] So, I figured if desperate times call for desperate measures, you could give some to outside kids to keep them busy, and inside kids will have an art project too, and then you can hang them on your door as a decoration for spring.
That is a lot of love, Julie, a lot of love.
Well, I was trying to make sure I took care of everybody.
[Background noise of rustling package paper]
What is this? Oh my goodness! You sent salsa! [Laughing]
That was for John Mark. He needed it. I told you to get tortilla chips before you opened my box.
[Laughing] You sent us salsa in the mail. That is contraband.
I know. I did it though, but it’s canned. It’s jarred. So, we’re good.
Chunky Salsa - mild. That’s perfect. I’m so excited. We will probably eat this on the way home. I’m not even kidding.
And I’m okay with that. I just couldn’t send chips, because it would take up too much spot in my box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I had other things I had to send, because I had to take care of a lot of people. I have a lot of friends in there.
Aww. That’s so kind. Aww. Easter stickers! Oh my goodness. Our four year old, she has got a thing for bunnies, and these are all bunny stickers, and butterflies. That’s so cool.
Yes. I was looking out for my sticker friend.
[Background noise of gift opening]
Oh my goodness. There’s more. Paint brushes! You sent a little sign that says, “Now Time Is Safe.”
Yes.
That is going to make me cry.
And I wrote it for you, too. I wrote it by myself. And that was done in chalk pen, so if there’s something else you need to change it to, you can wipe that off and I put the chalk pen in the box, and you can change it to something else.
Oh my goodness. That’s amazing.
But I did that for you, because I saw that and I was like, “They need a reminder on their desk.”
That is so special. Okay.
So yes, I did make that for you. That’s the craftiness.
Oh, and you sent cards for everybody. I’m just going to open mine.
Okay. I sent it for most everybody, but my hand got tired. [Laughing]
[Laughing]
And I bought a ten pack, but I was running out.
[Laughing] Oh, you’re so sweet. That’s really sweet. It’s so nice to have a friend. What?! You sent some bling.
I want you to sparkle while you’re doing your presentations.
Oh my goodness. That’s so fancy.
You’re going to be looking good.
Aww.
[Background noise of rustling paper]
I don’t even know what to say.
My only concern is is that I didn’t want it to affect your cochlear implants, so I don’t know if it will. I don’t think it will.
No, not at all. We totally can wear earrings.
But I know somebody doesn't like jewelry, so I’m really sorry to them, but it had to be done. [Laughing]
Well. [Laughing] I’m sure John Mark doesn’t like jewelry and some -- we’re just not confident, like girly girl confident, or styled girly -- right now I’m in overalls. Clearly John Mark got dressed for today, because I’m in overalls, but for the presentation, we wear decent clothes. [Laughing]
Exactly. So, I figured I would give you spring jewelry so that you can look springy.
You’ve been a very kind friend and I appreciate you being our friend.
I know, but listen. Hey, you got my pictures, right? Because I took a whole bunch of pictures of my awesome park for you.
Yeah.
And so if you ever come see me, we are so totally going there, because we have awesome tree climbing there.
Nice.
And we’re going to totally break the law and climb them.
[Gasp] [Laughing] Oh my goodness.
I have decided, we are going to do all things fun, and we’re not going to care what our issues are. We’re just going to do them, and we’ll just be ride or dies. [Laughing]
We need to find something near where you live for Dr. E to speak at, and then we can come.
Oh, I will look. I will make an appointment.
[Laughing]
We will -- I will -- Look, I have and I could, set up my own conference.
[Laughing]
Okay? And we’ll title it, “Trauma Informed Care.” [Laughing]
You’re so funny.
With keynote and guest speaker and presenter, Dr. E. [Laughing]
Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Uh. Thank you for talking to me. Thank you for helping help me refocus after therapy, and for sending me pictures of the park, and all the things. You are so supportive this week.
And that’s what good friends do. They take care of their friends when their friends need them. Yes. And you have that number. Let’s not give that out on the podcast.
[Laughing] Right? Oh my goodness. Okay.
Yeah, let’s not do that. I think you told me that we get fan mail, you and I?
Yes. Oh! We should read it.
Oh, okay. Is it nice? Is it really nice?
Well, now that I read this one, let me get out of it.
You know what? Don’t even keep that one. Throw it away. Just delete it totally, because it serves nobody in the system. It’s not positive. It doesn’t bring anything, and it’s just a constant reminder of something negative, and I would rather turn that hater into a motivator. So, just throw them away, because they aren’t worth the price of rice in China.
Okay.
Yes, and you know what they say about opinions.
[Laughing] So, we have someone -- I’m trying to see if they have a preferred name. Hold on. If it’s a particular alter. Okay, so there is someone named Cassi who -- she emails us a lot. And she is very kind and she’s very supportive and encouraging. And I think anxious for maybe for -- listen, I’m in Oklahoma and I just said “fer.” “She’s anxious fer.” [Laughing]
I think she’s anxious for contacting us or feeling shy about it. And so I don’t mean to put her more on the spot. I don’t mean to make it worse by saying that, but I just wanted her to know while she can hear my voice that we adore her. She’s super encouraging. I am grateful for her emails, and it’s very lovely to be learning how to make friends. And she’s been an important part of that. So, a shout out to Cassi.
Shout out to Cassi and hi.
Right.
That’s so nice. That’s so validating too, that she takes the time to do that. That’s so brave and fearless.
So good. So good.
I love it. Highfive to her and her system.
You’re cracking me up right now.
Why?
Okay.
Look. I don’t send hugs to your system, because I know Taylor doesn’t want to be touched. [Laughing]
Aww. [Laughing]
So I send love and hugs and highfives.
[Laughing] That’s funny. Okay. Um… .
You haven’t noticed that?
[Laughing]
I’m like, “I can’t send love and hugs to my friend, so I’m going to send them love and high fives.”
Yes. Okay, we have an email from Kim. I think Kim -- Kim has written to us before, and she’s delightful - cracks me up. She sent an email to everyone. She said, “Sasha, I’m so glad you had the idea for this podcast.” I don’t know which one. “You did great on the last one, the two weeks in a hotel with the kids.” Oh, with Em. We let the kids be on the podcast. I could not believe it.
Oh, the outside kids podcast. Mmhmm. Where they sing the song, “Puberty.” I loved it.
[Laughing] They have some funny songs, because the husband writes musicals, you know? So… .
I’m telling you.
When there’s an issue that the outside kids are struggling with, he deals with it by taking a song they know and rewriting the lyrics and they do a song video. And so they’re adorable. I didn’t know that she was going to let the kids be on the podcast. The husband was okay with how it turned out and approved it to go ahead and publish. And the songs were a hit. People went crazy over the songs. So, we will play some more of the songs some time.
Well, yes, and you’re going to have to send me the puberty song, because I have a little friend that is very engulfed in his stuff. [Laughing]
[Laughing] I can send it. They have like 50 songs done. They’re adorable.
So cute.
Kim said, “Dr. E, I know how” -- wait, sorry. We just got new glasses. “Dr. E, I love how you’re able to bring the clinical into the --” Wah! “I love how you’re able to bring the clinical to the laymen. Sometimes I need the broad clinical info, and sometimes I need the practical info, and you do a phenomenal job and I understand why you’re not on here a lot. But I love hearing from you.”
Do you think they’re not too boring? They’re so boring. I can’t even listen to them.
Well, no. I don’t think they’re boring. And that podcast she did entitled, “Shame”, was really good. Um, and very -- she opened up a little bit. I think the problem is is that sometimes they get a little -- when she doesn’t put in personal touches, if you will, or a relatable experience, it makes them a little wordy.
[Laughing] It’s so wordy. It’s so bad.
And sometimes -- but I get good information from her, right? She’s so smart. Dr. E is so smart.
Ugh.
Because I think she was the one that sent me the advice probably three weeks ago, when I was talking about how one of my outside kids was staying up around the clock. [Laughing]
[Laughing] And the first time it happened, I thought it was because he had had surgery. And I thought well maybe his circadian rhythms are all screwed up from anesthesia. And then it happened a couple more times and I’m like, “What in the heck would cause him to keep staying up all night?” Because obviously he can’t stay up all night by himself. Hello, autism. He will run.
Right.
So I had reached out and I think it was her or Em that responded and said that sometimes that happens when they’re going through growth spurts. And I was like, “You know what? That makes sense.” Little man’s going through a growth spurt. He’s all out of whack.
Wow. I don’t know how we know that. I don’t know how she knows any of this stuff. It’s so --
Maybe it was the 15 years in college.
Ugh. Okay, so Kim says, “John, you are stinking amaze-cakes.” [Laughing]
[Laughing] Amaze-cakes. I love it.
Amaze-cakes. I’m going to say that from now on. “I can tell you know a lot more than you let on, and I hope to keep learning from you.” Oh, that’s so true, dude. That’s so true. “Salsa is the best. I’m a huge fan. I hope the girls are still wearing pants.” [Laughing]
[Laughing] Of course they’re wearing pants. This is the real world. We don’t go outside without pants on. Thanks.
Oh my goodness. “I hope the girls are still wearing pants, and that you get mucho stickers, because you rock.” That’s so funny. That’s so funny.
He is so special. They just are so special.
“The Taylor’s, you’re not here a lot, but on the last podcast I heard you speaking up and letting your concerns be made known. I’m not DID, but my fiance is, and I think it was super brave of you to say, ‘Hey, y’all are doing the most. Slow down and let’s do this right.’ Good for you.”
Oh, she must have been doing -- that must have been the Protector Pow Wow one. So this is from a while ago.
Okay, how do you know that? And what did she say?
Well, she was talking about how -- you know, it was soon after the conference, I think. And she was upset about the ADA stuff, and she had said in there, “If people don’t start communicated that there was going to be a mighty cruise missile.” Well, not these words. I’m not --
[Laughing]
Essentially things were going to get shaken up, and she was going to let you all know who holds the hand. [Laughing]
Uh. We don’t want that to happen.
No, we don’t. We want Taylor happy.
We do want Taylor happy. “Molly, I love that you just came in and started ministering. Your faith and works is inspiring, and I hope to hear more from you. You have awakened my faith and I’ve been struggling for a while after I learned my fiance has DID. But something about you and what you do and how you speak has blessed me in a way I cannot explain. Thank you.”
She’s so good for the soul - that Molly. I love Molly.
Oh wow.
She is. And she must be referring to when Molly read her testimony for church.
Oh.
Because that’s the only one that Molly has done that was spiritual.
Gotcha. I read something in the notebook, like on the last episode, I think.
Yeah, because you were snooping.
I was snooping, and she was writing all, and I’m reading this and I’m thinking I don’t actually even understand what you’re saying. I’m trying to read this and I’m trying to -- it would not sink it. It would not process. And I told The Husband about it later, and he was like, “Maybe because it wasn’t your letter.” [Laughing]
[Laughing] Oo, he called you out.
He did. He did.
Hey, did you see my message the other day when you were like, “I’m staying at home with The Husband alone tonight.” And I was like, “Hello, pleasure!” And you were like, “Ha! No.”
[Laughing] That was funny.
Oh golly. I laughed so hard on that.
[Laughing]
My husband’s like, “Why are you laughing?”
[Laughing] Kim sent another email and said, “I just listened to Emma’s pod. Emma, you are awesome-sauce. I’m so happy for your breakthroughs, not losing time, grounding yourself, not panicking, and sleeping with no nightmares. Oh my gosh. You’ve come a long way from your first pod, and I’m just amazed at your growth and how everyone is working together to make things good for everyone.” Wait, Emma?
That’s the Emma stays podcast.
Emma? What?
Mmhmm. Emma did the Emma Stays podcast. It’s before -- it’s after, wait. I think it’s either before or after Meghan’s Rainbow or after, and I’m telling Sasha this because although she edits them, she doesn’t listen to them.
[Laughing] You know what? I can edit, not perfectly obviously, but I can edit by looking at them. Because I can see everyone takes a break and says “um.”
Oh yeah, that’s so irritating. Okay, so Emma Stays --
So I can --
It’s right there before Maladaptive.
Oh, okay. Donna said it was --
You have to listen to that, because it was really good. It talks about her experience with co-consciousness.
What?
And grounding to stay and preserving more time. I was really proud of her.
Donna said the same thing.
Mmhmm. It was a really good podcast. That is -- it’s a really good podcast. And you know how I tell you all the time when we’re having a rough day? And I’m like, “Look at the growth. And it’s going to be such a huge change from where we are today to where we’ll be in a year.”
Oh, wait! It has been a year.
Mmhmm. But look at all the growth. But even if we take it from today to next year, it’s going to be even more.
Oh my goodness. Well, Donna talked about the same one. She said, “I’m so happy you had a day outside, and that you felt safe enough to go outside, and you could listen to others and still have presence so you could do something you needed. To hear you say you felt happy made me so happy for you. From your first podcast to this one, you have come so far. You are seeing progress and feeling it too. It was so good to hear you feel good, and be proud of yourself, and I know more of these days are in your future. Again --”
Oh, you know what that was?
What?
That was -- okay, so when Emma did the Emma Stays podcast, it was also talking about how y’all had been stuck in Nerdville for two weeks and how she could tell that the Littles and you and what not were kind of antsy.
Oh.
So, she took you all on a run, and instead of just flat out running, she took into account John and John Mark. She didn’t call them by name. She still calls them, “The Boy One.” But that’s okay.
[Laughing]
But John Mark would tell her something, and then she would give in to his wish and let him do it, whether it be avoiding a snake or looking at a tree or crossing a stream. It was really good. I was really proud of her.
Wow. Yeah, I’m going to have to listen. I can see it by the wavelengths or whatever, when they take a breath and say “um” and I can just edit that out, without listening to it. [Laughing]
Yeah, well you should start listening to some of them. Emma doesn’t do a podcast very often. She really has to feel like there’s something there, you know what I mean? Like there’s been some kind of a change or whatever. And so when she does one, you should really listen to it, especially since I guess she’s considered the host.
Oh. What? Uh. Okay, we’re not going to talk about this one. I mean, we talked about that. I’m done. No, this one is from Sarah that says, “I want to tell your homegirl, Julie, that the two of you are awesome and it’s been really helpful for me to watch you, or listen to you all, learn how to be friends with each other. It’s fun because you are both hilarious. You both are avoiding different things, but hold each other accountable, and that’s a pretty cool thing about friendship. [Laughing]
[Laughing] I like Sarah. She can be a part of our fan club. Hey listen, you know what irritated me? I got to thinking about this.
What?
Is that it irritates me that people sometimes put you in the category of the not cooperative one.
Um, thank you.
Or like the rebel, because that’s not the case. [Laughing]
[Laughing] Oh, Julie, that’s so funny.
And I had to say this. I was like, “If we do a podcast again, I need to mention that my BFF is not the discourse bringer.”
[Laughing]
She is all down with peace and harmony, but I mean, we have limitations.
[Laughing]
So, don’t assume that my friend, Sasha, is the person who is causing the fire. [Laughing]
Well, sometimes, you know? [Laughing]
Well, sometimes we have to shake it up a little bit. You got to let them know who they’re playing with, but my God.
[Laughing]
You know? We all have our limits, but I think they think that you’re the only one and that you’re driving the train on the, “I’m going to rebel” train. And that’s not the case.
Only because --
You’re just letting them know this is how it is. I will tolerate this, this, and this and this is my boundary.
[Laughing] This email is from Kate. It says, “Hi guys, this is a message primarily for Em. We listened to an episode of yours today, and it gave us intense insight into one of our own system members, who we have often misunderstood. There are so many similarities in your stories, the roles you play within the system, and I for one, am grateful that you were able to share your experiences. I know --” and then she gives the name of her insider, which I don’t want to read. “I know she was extremely emotional about this episode. She hates this diagnosis. The whole thing terrifies her, but by telling your story, you have given her a way of relating and understanding. So, thank you, Em. I/we know how hard that was for you to do. From Kate.”
Yes, and listen. This sounds like it’s uncaring. I don’t care if she cries in every podcast, because she’s sharing her feelings and they’re better out than in. And if she wants to cry, then she can cry whenever she wants to, and she is -- I just love Em. I know you want to vomit, because that’s a lot of love, but I do.
[Laughing]
[Laughing] I could read it in your mind. You’re like, “Should I call that out?” Now I called it out for you. Ha ha - sore loser.
[Laughing]
So, you’re awesome.
Well, this one says, “Hey Sasha, please tell you BFF, Julie, that she is your friend and stop bad mouthing her on the podcast.”
Right? And who’s that from so I can thank them directly.
It is from Andy. And Andy says, “The two of you are hilarious and it really helps to see how having support helps you learn things, process things, and also just give you a break from the hard work of therapy.”
Right? I’m telling you. And thank you, Andy, because I can’t count how many times she’s told people I’m crazy.
[Laughing]
And that I’m creepy. [Laughing] Or that I’m not her friend. [Laughing]
Uh, I’m learning. I’m learning.
[Laughing] It goes back to when I tell my children, “You can’t help stupid.” I’m just teasing. You’re not stupid.
Yeah well, thanks a lot, Andy. Whose side are you on anyway?
Yeah. Andy, I think you picked the right side on that one, and I love you, and thank you for bringing it to my friend’s attention that her number one friend is her friend. You rock, Andy. You’re part of the fan club too.
[Laughing] Oh my goodness. The next one is from -- I don’t know how to say this. I don’t want to say it wrong. It’s AKI.
[Background noise of car dinging]
AKI?
AKI? What is that sound? Is that at your house or my house?
It’s at my house.
[Break]
It’s my engine doing weird things.
Oh, are you driving? Do you have to go?
Not yet. I’m watching cars. Okay, so here’s the beauty of me. I can look into my backyard and see the school, and I can watch the parent pickup line, and so I can see where the cars are so that I don’t have to wait in line.
You’re amazing.
Well, no. It’s called, “I don’t want to wait behind a bunch of people I don’t enjoy and so therefore I will sit in my driveway, so I don’t have to look at them.”
No, I am telling you, the car pickup line is the number one reason for homeschooling. [Laughing]
Oh my gosh. I can get car pickup line road rage.
[Laughing]
I got it. But it was addressed. It said, “Julie” -- and then it had my address. I was like -- and my husband’s like, “Um, somebody sent you this, but it looks like a kid wrote it.” [Laughing] And I’m like, “That’s because a kid did.” [Laughing]
Oh my goodness.
And he goes, “What do you mean?” Because I just tell him “Emma”, because if I start getting into the idiosyncrasies, it starts to confuse him. And I’m like, “One of the Parts in Emma’s system is a child and they sent me a letter.” And he’s like, “Oh, that makes sense.” I’m like, “Yes!” And he was like, “I didn’t know that Parts could write like children.” And I’m like, “They’re children!”
Oh, that’s funny.
He’s kind of clueless, but you know what made me proud of him last night?
Being proud of him is way nicer than saying he’s clueless.
I know. But he made me proud last night, because it showed me that sometimes he does listen to me.
Mmhmm.
And we were talking about the trigger I think I had told you about.
Yes.
Because I spent a significant amount of time yesterday with that trigger, but anyway, he was talking about how that particular trigger doesn’t make the effort to make their situation better.
Right.
They rely on everybody else, right? Extremely codependent. And he said, “You know what? Your friend, Emma, is the epitome of perseverance.”
Aww.
He said, “She’s my example of perseverance.” He goes, “Because I think about all the things that” -- because like I know you share things about me with The Husband -- and he goes, “I think about the things you’d told me, and the challenges that she’s had to face.” Right? And he goes, “If they can face all those challenges?” Right? “And they still come out with three masters, a doctorate, and a postdoc.” Right?
Yeah.
“And they can be hearing imparired, but yet, here they are on a podcast.” Right? “Talking and living their best life, and face the cancer and everything else. If they can do all that and still have faced the challenges that they have that got them to those various points.” He goes, “Then there is no reason why she can’t make an extra added effort to persevere in her life. Because your friend is the epitome of overcoming and preserving.”
I don’t even know what to say to that.
I was proud of him. I was like, “Wow, he does listen to me. I love him.”
That makes me cry. I’m totally crying now.
But, it’s true. You really are. That’s why I love you so much, because you all are like me. We have faced really hard challenges, but despite it all, we still persevere. They couldn’t hold us down. So we can stand up and be like, “Ha ha ha. Screw you. We still rose.” We’re like phoenix's.
[Laughing]
Yeah, we’re like phoenix’s. We rose from the ash.
Oh. Well, I’m going to kick some ash, for sure.
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