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Guest: Lou Himes, PhD (Trauma-Informed Trans Treatment)

Our guest this week is Dr. Lou Himes.

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Dr. Lou Himes is a licensed clinical psychologist and gender specialist in New York.

They identify as gender non-binary and use they/them/theirs pronouns. 

Lou maintains a strong commitment to social justice and aspires to play an active role in eliminating mental health disparities for members of queer communities. Lou has more than 10 years experience working with the LGBTQIA+ community. They are a WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health) certified specialist in mental health and provides consultation regarding the current WPATH Standards of Care (7) guidelines for the appropriate treatment of transgender individuals. 

In addition to their work in full time private practice, Lou also offers a variety of educational opportunities for organizations or individual practitioners seeking to provide competent care to queer individuals. This includes basic practices for helping queer and transgender individuals feel safe and welcomed into one’s office, holy space, community, and/or business.

 You can see their website HERE.

Guest: Beauty After Bruises

Lexi M is trauma educator, survivor outreach provider, and co-founder of Beauty After Bruises. As a survivor of highly complex trauma herself, she uses her lived experience of Dissociative Identity Disorder, as well as navigating all levels of treatment, to inform her outreach and advise clinicians, survivors and everyone with BAB. Due to the nature of her trauma story, much of her personal credentials and life identifiers maintain a level of anonymity, which has become a unique opportunity to demonstrate healthy boundaries and show one potential path concerned survivors can take in their passions. Lexi's main focus today is in creating clear, well-synthesized, heartfelt psychoeducation; writing articles, symptom management tools and resource guides; designing social media and web materials; and most of all bridging the gaps between all extremes necessary for trauma care. Matching well-researched data with deep heart and connection, healthy realism with flourishing hope, and compassionate awareness with real tangible and effective change.


Anne Knisley is the Co-founder and Survivor Outreach Liaison for the nonprofit organization Beauty After Bruises. Beauty After Bruises directly helps survivors with Complex PTSD and Dissociative Disorders access the therapeutic and inpatient care they need by providing financial grants as well as bridging the many gaps in trauma care by locating specialized clinicians, educating the public on trauma and dissociation, and giving survivors themselves the tools and self-compassion needed to fight another day

Anne received her BA from York College of Pennsylvania and built her career and businesses ownership in the health and human services industry. After life was redirected by a loved one's close and intimate battle with complex trauma, her focus transitioned into becoming an effective support person in their life. This required a robust crash course in trauma and dissociative disorders, the bureaucracy and financial demands of the healthcare industry, and society's mistreatment of survivors. This early introduction and life milestone birthed a passion to ensure the same services reach the countless survivors that did NOT have anyone in their corner to guide them through this maze. Thus, the Beauty After Bruises initiative was born.

Today Anne mainly works one-on-one with our survivors, their therapists, and doing public education. In every role, she offers the information, skills, and self-confidence needed to proceed with strength, self-agency and the knowledge that someone has their back.

Beauty After Bruises.

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Call for Coders

Melissa C. Water is part of “The Bag System” and is working toward creating a desktop application for assisting communication in Dissociative Identity Disorder systems. She has fully designed the concept behind the app’s features and options. The website where you can find the video with the detailed mock-up of the app can be found at multipliedbyone.com.

If you are available to donate time to coding the app, please contact Melissa directly at contact@multipliedbyone.com.

Melissa has been recently diagnosed with DID and has spoken of this on her YouTube channels, “Idranktheseawater” and “Coming Inside Out.” Melissa has been on radio shows, podcasts, spoken at conferences, and has been a guest on Canadian Television documentaries on the topic of Tourette syndrome, for which she advocates. The shows were “Employable Me,” and “You Can’t Ask that,”

Melissa started a movement following the trending #GetSplitOffNetflix hashtag on Twitter where rather than focusing on what we are not, we talk about our raw reality by posting about #HumanizingOurDIDTruth @OurDIDTruth

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Guest: Veronique Mead, MD, MA

This week we welcomed Veronique to the podcast, who shared with us about trauma and chronic illness.

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Veronique majored in cross-cultural studies & premed for a BA at Antioch college in Yellow Springs, Ohio, where the focus was also on experiential learning. She then found a medical school with a similar emphasis on learning by doing, McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, whose mission is “to create life-long learners.” This style of learning has served her greatly in the exploration of her health and looking into factors that may have contributed to, and continue to perpetuate, her fatigue.

She attended the University of New Mexico for her Family Practice Residency, having spent her early years in Santa Fe, as it has a medical student program, and philosophy, like McMaster’s. After completing her medical training, she traveled the country doing short stints as a temp doc (locum tenens). She tested out different environments such as private, independent outpatient practices in Michigan and Rhode-Island, hospital-based clinics in Maine, the Indian Health Service in North Dakota, and an isolated clinic in the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

She then settled down as full-time faculty in a small, community-based residency training program that was just getting started, in Concord, New Hampshire, where she delivered babies, taught residents and medical students, bought her first house, and made good friends.

In 1998, she took a year off and realized that she could become more like one of her role models, Rachel Naomi Remen, MD, who works with the relationship between mind and body. She went back to school to become a somatic psychotherapist. What she learned helped make sense of her own symptoms. She got a Master’s degree at Naropa University and did specialty training in working with trauma, bonding and attachment.

Her research has taken the form of scouring the medical databases for over twenty years. She has put together new ways of making sense of  chronic illness; and finding commonalities between chronic illnesses (chronic fatigue syndrome ME/CFS, MS, diabetes (both type 1 and 2), RA, Inflammatory bowel disease, Lupus, and asthma, among others). She has also been using herself as a case study, examining and working with her symptoms and their relationships to past and present life events, and she shares these throughout her blog to validate just how much is changing in our understanding of disease and tools for healing.

  • 1986 BA Cross Cultural Studies & Pre Med – Antioch College – “learning by doing”

  • 1990 MD – McMaster University Medical School, Ontario, Canada – “how to be lifelong learners”

  • 1993 Family Physician – University of New Mexico in Albuquerque Family Practice Residency

  • 1993-1995 Family Physician Locum Tenens (short term clinical work around the USA)

  • 1995-1998 Assistant Professor – New Hampshire Dartmouth Family Practice Residency Program, teaching; obstetrics and full spectrum care;

  • 2003 MA Somatic Psychology / Body-Based Psychotherapy – Naropa University in Boulder, CO – working with the wisdom & language of the body and symptoms

  • 2000 to present: Nervous System Specialist using Somatic & Trauma Therapies

  • 2001 Training – Sensorimotor Psychotherapy (Trauma)

  • 2006+ Training – Somatic Experiencing Practitioner (Trauma)

  • 2006+ Training – Prenatal and Perinatal Professional Training (Early Trauma)

Master’s Thesis:  Mead, V. P. (2003). Somatic psychology theory and the origins of chronic illness: a case study of type 1 diabetes. Somatic Psychology. Boulder (CO), Naropa University: 427 p.

Journal Article: Mead, V. P. (2004). “A new model for understanding the role of environmental factors in the origins of chronic illness: a case study of type 1 diabetes mellitus.” Med Hypotheses 63(6): 1035-1046.

Book Chapter: Mead, V. P. (2007). Timing, Bonding, and Trauma: Applications from experience-dependent maturation and traumatic stress provide insights for understanding environmental origins of disease. Advances in Psychology Research. A. M. Columbus, Nova Science Publishers. 49: 1-80. (downloadable from bottom of free ebooks page)

Special links referenced in the podcast included:

ACEs and chronic illness
https://chronicillnesstraumastudies.com/adverse-childhood-experiences-and-chronic-illness-boyhood/

Her own story and journey with chronic illness from trauma perspectives
https://chronicillnesstraumastudies.com/how-understanding-trauma-is-making-sense-of-my-chronic-illness-and-helping-me-heal/

A list of somatic trauma therapies she recommends for healing trauma and nervous system perceptions of threat
https://chronicillnesstraumastudies.com/chronic-illness-recovery-books-on-trauma/

A list of books on trauma and chronic illness and related perspectives
https://chronicillnesstraumastudies.com/therapies-chronic-illness-stress-triggers-perception-threat/

Her blog is HERE.

Guest: Richard Schwartz, PhD (Internal Family Systems)

Our guest this week was Richard Schwartz, PhD, who developed the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model of treatment for trauma and other therapeutic issues:

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Richard Schwartz began his career as a systemic family therapist and an academic. Grounded in systems thinking, Dr. Schwartz developed Internal Family Systems (IFS) in response to clients’ descriptions of various parts within themselves. He focused on the relationships among these parts and noticed that there were systemic patterns to the way they were organized across clients. He also found that when the clients’ parts felt safe and were allowed to relax, the clients would experience spontaneously the qualities of confidence, openness, and compassion that Dr. Schwartz came to call the Self. He found that when in that state of Self, clients would know how to heal their parts.

A featured speaker for national professional organizations, Dr. Schwartz has published many books and over fifty articles about IFS. You can read more about him and about IFS on his website HERE.

Resources for Spouses

Many thanks to our previous guest, Ellen Lacter, PhD, who shares these spouse resources with us now:

Heather Tuba: Trauma-Informed Support for Partners of Survivors:
https://www.heathertuba.com/articles/

Robin Brickel, LMFT: How to Repair Love with Trauma-Informed Couples Therapy:
https://brickelandassociates.com/trauma-informed-couples-therapy/

How People Heal From Trauma, Thanks to Helpers:
https://brickelandassociates.com/how-to-heal-after-trauma-helpers/

The Significant Other's Guild to Dissociative Identity Disorder:
http://www.toddlertime.com/dx/did/did-guild.htm

The road less travelled: how to support your dissociative partner, Parts One and Two, by Rob Spring:
https://information.pods-online.org.uk/the-road-less-travelled-part-one-how-to-support-your-dissociative-partner/

https://information.pods-online.org.uk/the-road-less-travelled-part-two-how-to-support-your-dissociative-partner/

The risk of rescuing: pitfalls and promises in supporting dissociative survivors (PODS):
https://information.pods-online.org.uk/the-risk-of-rescuing-pitfalls-and-promises-in-supporting-dissociative-survivors/

My unique vantage point – parenting dissociative identity disorder with dissociative identity disorder, by Carol B:
https://information.pods-online.org.uk/my-unique-vantage-point-parenting-dissociative-identity-disorder-with-dissociative-identity-disorder/

10 Tips For Spouses and Partners of Survivors with Dissociative Identity Disorder, by Kathy Broady, MSW
https://www.discussingdissociation.com/2016/06/10-tips-for-spouses-and-partners-of-someone-with-dissociative-identity-disorder/


Sidran: For Survivors and Loved Ones:
https://www.sidran.org/for-survivors-and-loved-ones/

For parenting dissociative children: Diagnosis and Treatment of Youth with Dissociation, by Fran S. Waters (2016)


Partners With PTSD by Frank Ochberg, M.D.:
http://www.giftfromwithin.org/html/partners.html

Loving a Trauma Survivor: Understanding Childhood Trauma’s Impact On Relationships, Robin Brickel, MA. LMFT
https://brickelandassociates.com/trauma-survivor-relationships/

Supporting a Loved One Through PTSD or Panic Attacks:
http://sometimesmagical.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/supporting-a-loved-one-through-ptsd-or-panic-attacks/

How Childhood Sexual Abuse Affects Interpersonal Relationships:
http://ritualabuse.us/research/sexual-abuse/how-childhood-sexual-abuse-affects-interpersonal-relationships/

Supporting Someone Who Has Been Raped or Sexually Assaulted:
http://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/articles/supporting-someone-who-has-been-raped-or-sexually-assaulted/

Patience Press (for Help for trauma survivors, war veterans, family members, friends and therapists):
http://www.patiencepress.com/patience_press/Welcome.html

Preventing Compassion Fatigue: What Veteran Spouse/Partner Caregivers Need to Know:
http://giftfromwithin.org/html/Compassion-Fatigue-What-Veteran-Caregivers-Need-to-Know.html

Training for lay counselors: http://www.helpers.homestead.com
http://www.ksacc.ca/docs/when_your_partner_was_sexually_abused_as_a_child.pdf?LanguageID=EN-US

The Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Relationship: How to Support Your Partner and Keep Your Relationship Healthy, by Diane England (2007)


If The Man You Love Was Abused: A Couple's Guide to Healing by, Marie H. Browne (2007)


Healing Together: A Couple's Guide to Coping with Trauma and Post-Traumatic Stress by Suzanne B. Phillips (2009)


Ghosts in the Bedroom: A Guide for Partners of Incest Survivors, Ken Graber (1991)

Trust After Trauma: A Guide to Relationships for Survivors and Those Who Love Them, Aphrodite Matsakis (1998)


Allies in Healing: When the person you love was sexually abused as a child, by Laura Davis (1992)

All the Colors of Me: My first book about Dissociation, by Ana Gomez, illustrated by Sandra Paulsen (for kids)

Guest: Pam Stavropoulos, PhD (Blue Knot Foundation)

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We welcome Pam Stavropoulos, PhD (Politics), Grad. Dip. Psychotherapy to the podcast to share about her research work with complex trauma at Blue Knot Foundation.

Specifically, she shares with us about the recently released 2019 updated Practice Guidelines for the Treatment of Complex Trauma, which you can read HERE. It is available for download for free, with permission to share.

In the podcast, she shares about the research behind the updated guidelines, and also mentions therapist compentancies, which you can read HERE.

A list of selected publications can be viewed HERE.

Guest: Kathy Steele
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Kathy Steele, MN, CS has been in private practice in Atlanta, Georgia since 1985, and is an Adjunct Faculty at Emory University. Kathy is a Fellow and a past President of the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD), and is the recipient of a number of awards for her clinical and published works, including the 2010 Lifetime Achievement Award from ISSTD. She has authored numerous publications in the field of trauma and dissociation, including three books, and frequently lectures internationally on topics related to trauma, dissociation, attachment, and therapeutic resistance and impasses.

CLICK HERE for a link to the workbook mentioned in the podcast!

Guest: Christine Forner
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Christine Forner (Ba, Bsw, Msw, Rsw) has been in the healing profession in one form or another since the age of 16, when she worked on a crisis line for teens. Christine spent the first part of her career in the front lines working at local sexual assault centres, long term therapeutic setting and shelters for domestic violence survivours.

Since 2011, Christine has worked in her own private practice, which specializes in complex trauma and dissociative disorders. Christine has over thirty years of working with individuals with Trauma, Post Traumatic Stress Disorders, Traumatic Dissociation, Developmental Trauma and Dissociative Disorders, with specialized training in EMDR, Sensorimotor Psychotherapy, Psychotherapeutic Meditation techniques, Neurofeedback and Havening. Christine is also the current clinical supervisor for WayPoints, a center in Fort McMurry, Alberta that specializes in sexual assault and domestic violence. Christine teaches locally and at an international level on the issue of dissociation, complex trauma, and the intersection of dissociation and mindfulness.

Christine is the current President for the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.

Christine has also served on the board of the ISSTD since 2010 and was the ISSTD treasurer from 2011-2017.

She is the author of Dissociation, Mindfulness and Creative Meditations: Trauma informed practices to facilitate growth (Routledge, 2017).

As well as avidly working with those who have been hurt the most, Christine has dedicated her professional life to educating others on the logic, normality and commonality of dissociation. The summation of her work is to educate practitioners about the vital importance of their presence, patients and care with those who have been through the most severe and brutal injuries so that they get treated with dignity and compassion. The four qualities of presence, patience, dignity and compassion applied to every aspect of the therapeutic process can result in profound inner healing; something every human deserves to experience.

Guest: Rachel Lewis-Marlow
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Rachel Lewis-Marlow is a somatically integrative psychotherapist, dually licensed as a Licensed Professional Counselor and a Massage and Bodywork Therapist. Rachel is also a Certified Advanced Practitioner in Sensorimotor Psychotherapy and has advanced training and 30 + years of experience in diverse somatic therapies.

She is the co-founder of the Embodied Recovery Institute which provides training in a trauma-informed, relationally oriented and somatically integrative model for eating disorders treatment.

In her private practice, Rachel specializes in working with people recovering from trauma, eating disorders, and dissociative disorders. She has extensive experience as a teacher and presenter, focusing on accessing the body’s unique capacity to give voice to the subconscious and to lay the foundation for healing and maintaining psychological and physical health.

She authored a chapter on the application of Sensorimotor Psychotherapy to eating disorders treatment in the recently published book, Trauma-Informed Approaches to Eating Disorders.

DID Resources

We recently had Scarlet from the Labyrinth System as a guest on the podcast, and they were one of the very first YouTube channels educating about Dissociative Identity Disorder. You can see their channel HERE.

They mentioned the genetic test that helps you know which medications may be more helpful than others. It is called the GeneSight test, and you can see their website HERE.

We also spoke with Ashton Parker, from the Infinite System, who has started a collaborative website about Self-Help for those with Dissociative Identity Disorder. You can see the website HERE.